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Fource Majeure

Two IP lawyers, one shared theory: the weather inside a workplace is a leadership choice.

Heather and Cat, photographed in natural light

About the show

We named the show after the legal doctrine that excuses you when the world breaks open. The joke is that, mostly, the world doesn't — and someone still has to lead.

Each episode: a guest who has changed the climate at work, and what it cost them to do it. Hosted by Heather Kliebenstein and Cat Lovrics — partners, IP lawyers, brand strategists, who are constantly curious and unrepentantly opinionated.

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